That's what was on display Saturday at the Computer History Museum here as several hundred longtime Silicon Valley veterans and youngsters
alike showed up for a panel discussion called "Apple in the Garage" celebrating Apple's 30th anniversary.

To be sure, that anniversary was really in April, but as part of the ninth annual Vintage Computer Festival, Wozniak, Apple employee No. 6 Randy
Wigginton, Apple employee No. 8 Chris Espinosa, and longtime Apple employee and original Macintosh team member Daniel Kottke got together
for an afternoon of storytelling about the earliest days of Apple and its seminal computers.

Last year, festival organizers, including Bruce Damer, founder of the DigiBarn computer museum in California's Santa Cruz mountains,
celebrated the 30th anniversary of the Homebrew Computer Club. Wozniak appeared at the event as well, and to some, Saturday's event was a
suitable bookend for a historical look back at the birth of personal computing.

And on Saturday, many of those in attendance were happy just to hear the four panelists tell stories about the creation of the Apple I in 1976,
and its successor, the Apple II in 1977.

"We thought it would be a shame if we didn't have a birthday party for Apple with a cake," Damer said at the beginning of the discussion. And
indeed, he had brought along a birthday cake adorned with a digital print of Apple's original logo.

But before anyone could eat the cake, the panelists took the audience down a memory lane of poignant Apple history.

Espinosa, for example, recalled how he had begun working for Apple while still in high school, and that he still counts himself lucky--he still works
at Apple today--to have gotten to work alongside such technology luminaries.

"It was really interesting being 14 and 15 years old and having my hobby being hanging out with guys who were" changing the face of technology,
Espinosa said. "I didn't really know that this wasn't the way 14-year-olds spent their high school year."

Apple's roots
Kottke recalled how he had become friends with Steve Jobs--who was not present at Saturday's event to the dismay of some in
attendance--when both were college students at Reed College in Portland, Ore. He said the two had bonded over Eastern philosophies and that
Jobs had not talked about his computer work.

But upon being invited to Silicon Valley, Kottke said he visited Jobs' house--the home of the famous garage where Jobs and Wozniak started
Apple--and the first thing he found was Jobs' sister watching "The Gong Show" on TV and plugging chips into Apple Is.

Wozniak said that the early Apple team didn't have a telephone, and that Jobs was essentially running the entire business form his bedroom.

"It was a nice, warm place to meet people," Wozniak said of the Jobs' garage.

Wigginton remembered that in those days, many of today's computer industry luminaries hung out at the Homebrew Computer Club because it
was a way to have access to working computers.

"Nobody could afford their own computer," Wigginton said. "It's amazing to me that owning your own computer was considered impossible."

For his part, Espinsoa joked about why he had gone to work for Apple rather than for another computer company.

"Scott Computer was too far away to work because I only had a bicycle," Espinosa said. "So Apple was much better for me because it was much
closer."

He also said that when Apple began working on the Apple II, the team got its own building, though it didn't have any furniture beyond some
telephones.

"When you're in a building with nothing but telephones and Steve Wozniak," Espinosa said, alluding to Wozniak's storied history building blue
boxes, "you know you're going to have some fun."

But he also said the carpeting in the building was a constant source of static electricity, and that anytime someone was walking over the carpet
and touched an open Apple II case, "you fried the keyboard chip."

"So we spent an incredible amount of time," Espinosa said, "replacing keyboard chips."

Before co-founding Apple, Wozniak was working for Hewlett-Packard, and he said that in order to protect himself from claims by HP that he
was profiting off work that the computer giant owned, he got the company's legal team to run the Apple I plans by every department. They all
turned the project down, he said.

And while HP was interested in the machine, Wozniak said that ultimately, the company was afraid it wasn't polished enough to be an HP
computer. Later, he added that if HP had wanted it, it probably would have been a commercial failure and might have set the personal computer
business back significantly.

In the early days, Apple was putting software on cassettes, but that the company didn't have automated tape duplication machines.

So, someone rigged up a system in which a rack of Panasonic tape machines were linked together off an Apple II and in order to copy as many
tapes at a time as possible, the team would have to simultaneously press play and record on all the tape machines and hit the return key on the
Apple II to begin the process.

"Any time someone would come in and talk about something like a $25 million Bank of America credit line," Espinosa said, an Apple employee
might have to "stop the meeting and go over and switch out the cassettes and put in new ones and then come back and say, 'So what were we
talking about?' That's the kind of place it was."

But of course, Apple is now one of the most important technology companies in the world, and its hallmark, despite Wozniak's long-ago
departure, is elegant design. And he hopes to lay claim to that legacy.

"I don't want credit for designing the first (personal) computer," Wozniak said. "I just want credit for designing the first good one. (And for)
publicizing the fact that a computer could be attractive."